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    Post by Dr Abdul Aziz Awan Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:54 am

    The terms "standard error" and "standard deviation" are oftenconfused. The contrast between these two terms reflects theimportant distinction between data description and inference,one that all researchers should appreciate. The standard deviation (often SD) is a measure of variability.When we calculate the standard deviation of a sample, we areusing it as an estimate of the variability of the populationfrom which the
    sample was drawn. For data with a normal distribution,about 95% of
    individuals will have values within 2 standarddeviations of the mean, the other 5% being equally scatteredabove and below these limits. Contrary to popular misconception,the standard deviation is a valid measure of variability regardlessof the distribution. About 95% of observations of any distributionusually fall within the 2 standard deviation limits, thoughthose outside may all be at one end. We may choose a differentsummary statistic, however, when data have a skewed distribution.
    When we calculate the sample mean we are usually interestednot in the mean of this particular sample, but in the mean forindividuals of this type—in statistical terms, of thepopulation from which the sample comes. We usually collect datain order to generalize from them and so use the sample meanas an estimate of the mean for the whole population. Now thesample mean will vary from sample to sample; the way this variationoccurs is described by the "sampling distribution" of the mean.We can estimate how much sample means will vary from the standarddeviation of this sampling distribution, which we call the standarderror (SE) of the
    estimate of the mean. As the standard erroris a type of standard deviation, confusion is understandable.Another way of considering the standard error is as a measureof the precision of the sample mean. The standard error of the sample mean depends on both the standarddeviation and the sample size, by the simple relation SE = SD/√ (samplesize). The standard error falls as the sample size increases,as the extent of chance variation is reduced—this ideaunderlies the sample size calculation for a controlled trial,for example. By contrast the standard deviation will not tendto change as we increase the size of our sample. So, if we want to say how widely scattered some measurementsare, we use the standard deviation. If we want to indicate theuncertainty around the estimate of the mean measurement, wequote the standard error of the mean. The standard error ismost useful as a means of calculating a confidence interval.For a large sample, a 95% confidence interval is obtained asthe values 1.96xSE either side of the mean. We will discussconfidence intervals in more detail in a subsequent StatisticsNote. The standard error is also used to calculate P valuesin many circumstances. The principle of a sampling distribution applies to other quantitiesthat we may estimate from a sample, such as a proportion orregression coefficient, and to contrasts between two samples,such as a risk ratio or the difference between two means orproportions. All such quantities have uncertainty due to samplingvariation, and for all such estimates a standard error can becalculated to indicate the degree of uncertainty. In many publications a ± sign is used to join the standarddeviation (SD) or standard error (SE) to an observed mean—for example, 69.4±9.3 kg. That notation gives no indicationwhether the second
    figure is the standard deviation or the standarderror (or indeed something else). A review of 88 articles publishedin 2002 found that 12 (14%) failed to identify which measureof dispersion was reported (and three failed to report any measureof variability).The policy of the BMJ and many other journalsis to remove ± signs and request authors to indicateclearly whether the standard deviation or standard error isbeing quoted. All journals should
    follow this practice.
    The Standard Error of a Proportion
    Sometimes, it's easier to do the algebra than wave hands. It has already
    been argued that a proportion is the mean of a variable that is 1 when the
    individual has a characteristic and 0 otherwise. The standard deviation of any variable involves the expression
    Diagram 1. https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/110.jpg
    Let's suppose there are m 1s (and n-m 0s) among the n subjects. Then, Diagram 1-a https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/1-a10.jpg and Diagram 1-b https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/1-b10.jpg is equal to (1-m/n) for m observations and 0-m/n for (n-m) observations. When these results are combined, the final result is
    Diagram 2. https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/210.jpg
    and the sample variance (square of the SD) of the 0/1 observations is
    Diagram 3 https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/310.jpg
    The sample proportion is the mean of n of these observations, so the
    standard error of the proportion is calculated like the standard error of the
    mean, that is, the SD of one of them divided by the square root of the sample size or
    Diagram 4. https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/410.jpg

    Computing Standard Deviations for Proportions
    You already learned about the standard error for the sampling distribution
    of means,
    s.emean = Diagram 5. https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/510.jpg
    My lecture notes for yesterday gave the formula for computing the standard error for proportions, which is simply a mean computed for data scored 1 (for p) or 0 (for q). It so happens that the variance for data in proportions is simply Variance = pq
    So the standard deviation = Diagram 6 https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/610.jpg
    In case you don't believe this, here is a computed example for these data
    inspired by the CBS/New York Times poll reported on October 29, 2001.
    Sixty-one percent think the war in Afghanistan would be worth it even if it meant several thousand American troops would lose their lives; 27 percent say the war there would not be worth that cost. Let's round off the 61% to 60% for easier computation and consider only a sub-sample of ten cases:

    Case

    Worth It?

    Score (X)

    Mean

    (X-mean)

    (X-mean)2

    1

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    2

    no

    0

    0.6

    -0.6

    0.36

    3

    no

    0

    0.6

    -0.6

    0.36

    4

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    5

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    6

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    7

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    8

    no

    0

    0.6

    -0.6

    0.36

    9

    yes

    1

    0.6

    0.4

    0.16

    10

    no

    0

    0.6

    -0.6

    0.36





    6/10 =.6
    (mean of proportion)




    · = 2.4
    (sum of squares)


    • Given a sum of squares of 2.4
      for ten cases, the variance is .24.

      • Now let's multiply the
        p (.6) by the q (.4): .6 * .4 = .24 -- so pq = variance.
      </li>
    • We can compute the s.e. of
      the proportion for the CBS/New York Times poll of 1,024 respondents, using yesterday's formula:
    Diagram 7 https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/11/10/02/04/710.jpg


    • This result is one standard
      error of a proportion; we multiply by 100 to make it a percentage: 1.5%
    • But remember we need to
      double the 1.5% to produce an estimate of +/- 3%--such that it will
      embrace 95% of the possible samples.
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    Post by Dr.M.farooq Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:34 am

    Respicted sir Dr.Kazmi Sahib,
    Hope be fine,Sir we are still waiting for your kind information,that is regarding the big problem for all of our colleagues ( thirsday Biostatistics class).If you please and solve this problem(Biostatiscs should be on friday or joint with reaserch methods on friday or saturday) If it is not possible then the biostatistics class should be change with Research class .it will be hilighy appreciated and actully be your mercy on student for learning.


    kind regards
    zahidsalarzai
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    Post by zahidsalarzai Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:20 pm

    Dear Sir ,

    With respect i beg to say that student coming from Afghanistan on thursday it is impossible to reach for the clasess and security situation and getting visa is difficult ,kindly pls i am kindly requesting to take clasess on friday ,this will be your great cooperation with student coming from Afghanistan.We highly appreciate your usual cooperation and assistance.

    Thanks

    Zahid

    Kabul
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    Post by Admin Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:44 pm

    Dear Dr Zahid
    If your other fellows from Afghanistan can come, why cant you????
    zahidsalarzai
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    Post by zahidsalarzai Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:08 am

    Dear Sir,

    They had refugees card ,i don't have,i had given my passport for visa i will get it soon.

    Thanks
    Zahid
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    Post by zahidsalarzai Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:59 am

    Dear Sir,

    I had downloaded statistics books and studying it now,i had studied different types of variable one of them was suppressor variable i didnot understand this can you pls sir give me some explanation on this,the definition in the book was not clear to me,you cooperation will be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Zahid

    Kabul

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