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    Post by The Saint Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:54 pm

    Read this Case Study Carefully and Answer the Questions Given at the end

    In the 1960s, Matthew Crenson sought to explain why air pollution remained a ‘non-issue’ in many American cities. In particular, he attempted to identify relationships between the neglect of air pollution and characteristics of political leaders and institutions.
    Crenson’s approach, examining why things do not happen, contrasted with that of Robert Dahl’s which looked at why they do (1961). Crenson adopted this strategy to test whether or not the study of political inactivity (or non-decision making) would shed new light on ways of thinking about power. He also wondered if this different approach would support the claims made by Dahl that the policy making process was open to many groups in society.
    Crenson began by demonstrating that action or inaction on pollution in US cities could not be attributed to differences in actual pollution level or to differences in social attributes of the populations in different cities. The study involved two neighbouring cities in Indiana which were both equally polluted and had similar demographic profiles. One of the cities, East Chicago, had taken action to deal with air pollution in 1949, while the other, Gary, did nothing until 1962. Crenson argues that the difference arose because Gary was a single- employer town dominated by U.S. Steel, with a strong political party organization, while Chicago was home to a number of steel companies and had no strong party organization when it passed air pollution legislation. In Gary, anticipated negative reactions from the company were thought to have prevented activists and city leaders from placing the issue on the agenda. Crenson also interviewed political leaders from 51 American cities. These suggested that ‘the air pollution issue tends not to flourish in cities where industry enjoys a reputation for power’.
    Crenson’s major findings were that, first, power may consist of the ability to prevent some items from becoming issues. Second, that power does not need to be exercised for it to be effective: the mere reputation for power can restrict the scope of decision making. Third, those affected by political power, ‘the victims’, may remain invisible, because the power or
    reputation of the powerful may deter the less powerful from entering the policy making arena. He concluded that ‘non-issues are not politically random oversights but instances of politically enforced neglect’

    1 Which dimension of power is described?
    2 Does the study indicate that power as thought control may also have been in play?
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    Post by Dr Abdul Aziz Awan Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:20 pm

    The Saint wrote:Read this Case Study Carefully and Answer the Questions Given at the end

    In the 1960s, Matthew Crenson sought to explain why air pollution remained a ‘non-issue’ in many American cities. In particular, he attempted to identify relationships between the neglect of air pollution and characteristics of political leaders and institutions.
    Crenson’s approach, examining why things do not happen, contrasted with that of Robert Dahl’s which looked at why they do (1961). Crenson adopted this strategy to test whether or not the study of political inactivity (or non-decision making) would shed new light on ways of thinking about power. He also wondered if this different approach would support the claims made by Dahl that the policy making process was open to many groups in society.
    Crenson began by demonstrating that action or inaction on pollution in US cities could not be attributed to differences in actual pollution level or to differences in social attributes of the populations in different cities. The study involved two neighbouring cities in Indiana which were both equally polluted and had similar demographic profiles. One of the cities, East Chicago, had taken action to deal with air pollution in 1949, while the other, Gary, did nothing until 1962. Crenson argues that the difference arose because Gary was a single- employer town dominated by U.S. Steel, with a strong political party organization, while Chicago was home to a number of steel companies and had no strong party organization when it passed air pollution legislation. In Gary, anticipated negative reactions from the company were thought to have prevented activists and city leaders from placing the issue on the agenda. Crenson also interviewed political leaders from 51 American cities. These suggested that ‘the air pollution issue tends not to flourish in cities where industry enjoys a reputation for power’.
    Crenson’s major findings were that, first, power may consist of the ability to prevent some items from becoming issues. Second, that power does not need to be exercised for it to be effective: the mere reputation for power can restrict the scope of decision making. Third, those affected by political power, ‘the victims’, may remain invisible, because the power or
    reputation of the powerful may deter the less powerful from entering the policy making arena. He concluded that ‘non-issues are not politically random oversights but instances of politically enforced neglect’

    1 Which dimension of power is described?
    2 Does the study indicate that power as thought control may also have been in play?
    For dear MPH Students
    Dimensions of power are;
    1. Polyarchal pluralism and the decision method
    2. Non-decisionmaking and the mobilization of bias
    3. ‘Real’ interests and latent conflict
    Study the subject and answer the questions. Detail material will be pasted after your answers.
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    Post by bibinazifa Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:03 pm

    Dear sir,
    there had been mistake in the spelling of the following words in the answer which i have given for the sickness x scenario

    1 : pellagra

    2:explanation

    I will be waiting for your comment about the answer of sickness x

    thanks !
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    Post by zahidsalarzai Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:04 pm

    Dear Sir ,

    Answer No.1

    The above case study denoted the third dimension of power which is known as power as thought control.

    Anwer No.2

    yes , the study indicates that the power as a thought control may also have been play.

    Thanks

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    Post by The Saint Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:15 pm

    There has been problems lately.

    Nazifa please post the answer in the relevant section. You have posted your answer in the wrong section

    Zahid you are in 2nd semester. Its better that you first answer those questions which were directed to you rather than answering 4rth semester questions, please
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    Post by Dr Abu Zar Taizai Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:52 am

    Question 1.
    Answer:
    Retrospective Analysis of Policy:
    In this Study "The Non Decision Making" Dimension of Power is described.
    Mathew Crenson studied that in “Indiana” The Comparative Study of the two Cities to identify the various Dimentions of Power influencing the policy making process for the Public Issue of Air Pollution. In this Study He describes that,East Chicago and Gary, though had similar Air Pollution and Demography and Moreover the Political Leadership was Well aware of the Fact as Evident from his Interviews from 51 Different Political Leaders, these interviews were intended just to Remove the Bias of differences in actual Pollution levels and also the Bias of differences in Social attributes of the Populations in different Cities. But Still the Strong Reputation of Power
    (Political Backing) of the City Gary compelled the Policy Makers for inaction (Non- Decision Making). As the City Gary was enjoying the political power and continued to earn and produce steel in spite of the fact that they were polluting the Air, which was a Public Health Issue.
    3rd Conclusion of the Researcher, Those affected by the political power “ The Victims” may remain invisible, because the power or reputation of the powerful may deter the less powerful from entering the Policy Making Arena. (Again Evidencing the “Non-Decision Making” Dimension of Power)
    C.f. Lecture by Dr Nayyar.‘power is also exercised when A devotes his energies to creating or reinforcing social and political values and institutional practices that limit the scope of the political process to public consideration of only those issues which are comparatively innocuous to A’. Consequently, power as agenda setting highlights the way in which powerful groups control the agenda to keep threatening issues below the policy radar screen. Expressed differently, power as ‘non-decision making’ involves ‘the practice of limiting the scope of actual decision making to safe issues by manipulating the dominant community values, myths and political institutions

    Question 2.
    Answer. Yes Sir! The study reveals that there was "Thought Control" Dimension of Power also in Full Action.
    Explaination.
    As the 2nd Conclusions of Mathew Crenson States that, Power does not need to be Exercised for it is to be effective: the mere reputation of power can restrict the scope of Decision Making,
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    Post by The Saint Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:05 am

    Good Abuzar.....Now lets wait and see what the others answer
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    Post by Dr.Bangash Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:01 pm

    Answer #1--Non decsiion making and bias--As Gary was a single employer town dominated by U.S.Steel and who had a strong influence on political party organization may be with enormous funding for political elction campaign or in some other way as compared to East Chicago in contrast.So those political leaders might have thought that if they go against the interests of Gary he will,in future,not help them in election campaigns etc,so they did not take deciosions against Gary's interests simply by not making policies against his interests while in contrast in Chicago the situation was almost opposite by making and implementing policies against Chicago which was home to a number of steel companies and had no strong party organisation when it passed air pollution legislation.This was further clearified by interviewing political leaders from 51 American cities ,by Methew Crensen, who suggested that "the air pollution issue tends not to flourish in cities where industry enjoys a reputation for power"which is a clear biasdness.
    Answe # 2--Yes the study strongly indicates that power as thought control have been in play as politicians had thoughts deeply in their minds that if they go against Gary they will not be funded in future by him.
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    Post by Dr Abu Zar Taizai Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:12 pm

    Thank Sir,for Giving us Brainstorming Material and For Your Appreciation.
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    Post by The Saint Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:05 pm

    Good to see Dr Fazal ur Rehman back in action.....I always appreciate hard working students. Keep it up
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    Post by Dr. Zubair Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:07 am

    Answer No. 1 - "Non Decision making" dimension of power is described (ability to prevent some items from becoming issues).

    Answer No. 2 - Yes. Although I am a little confused about it and initial though was "No" as I felt all the three conclusions point towards the "non-decision making". We may discuss in the class for a while.
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:20 am

    What was the confusion Zubair..... Anything that felt contentious in the case study????
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    Post by Dr. Zubair Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 am

    Sir,

    Nothing contentious; I feel I was not clear about the third dimension of power i.e. thought control and following sentences at the first few reads were felt like pointing to the same second dimension.

    "Second, that power does not need to be exercised for it to be effective: the mere reputation for power can restrict the scope of decision making. Third, those affected by political power, ‘the victims’, may remain invisible, because the power or reputation of the powerful may deter the less powerful from entering the policy making arena."
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:48 am

    There is quite fine line dividing the two... Non Decision making clevely controlling the circumstances primarily, while thought control primarily contrlling the thought process again, by manipulating circumstances
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    Post by Dr. Zubair Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:38 am

    Ponit well taken and understood, sir.
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:46 am

    Good.....
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:27 pm

    So Fellows, most of the answers by you guys were right. After passing 48 Hours deadline, just few people answered and Mega Hypothyroids like Mohammad Akmal, and Mentally Retards Mutahiora and Aneela Farman preferred to remain comatose in ICU

    The answers are

    1 Crenson’s study describes and provides an empirical basis for power as non-decision making.
    2 Given that people would probably prefer not to be poisoned by air pollution, the case suggests that people will not necessarily act on their preferences and interests. This is presumably due to some form of manipulation or indoctrination, policy making by thought control.


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    Post by Dr. Zubair Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:47 pm

    Sir, I can see your signature changed for the first time after I joined the forum after the the thing got accomplished. I hope and pray the present signature also gets accomplished, keeping the tradition Smile
    May be an irrelevant post as per the topic, but a wish for all, primarily for "Hs"
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:52 pm

    Well, Iftikhar Chaudry is back as the top most Jury, so mission accomplished. Yes I got my signature changed, because after a long time, I am rediscovering myself.
    And Yes, I got your point. I hope it works for Hypo's too, because I guess they are already lost, but only if THEY, not you and me, REALIZE
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    Post by Dr. Abdul Wahid Wahidi Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:58 pm

    Dear D. Nayyar,
    Greetings,
    I could not find the assignments in site that you told us on Saturday evening to performe that.

    Thank you.
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:01 pm

    Dear Dr Wahidi

    Please check Page no 1 of this page. You will find the case study just beneath the power point presentation
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    Post by The Saint Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:04 pm

    Click the link given below and see the case study just beneath the powerpoint lecture

    https://drnraza.editboard.com/health-policy-f14/powerpoint-presentation-concept-of-power-in-policy-t437.htm
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    Post by Dr. Abdul Wahid Wahidi Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:41 am

    Sorry for late response,
    In short:
    1. Non Decision making dimension of power has been used.
    2 Yes, thought control also have controlled the process.

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    Post by The Saint Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:52 am

    OK, fine. Late Answer accepted
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    Post by habib1st Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:33 pm

    Respected Sir A.O.A
    Answer No.1- Non Decision making dimension of power is described .
    bachrach & Baratz defination (1962) Power concived as influence , co ercion, authority, force or manipulation, influential groups can manipualte agendas, inclusion of non decision making in the analyses of power.

    Answer No.2- Yes indicates power as thought control ,third face of power dimension is Excersice of power in shaping poeple`s preference in the absence of overt or covert conflicts, and in such a way that results in the stifling of `real` interests.
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    Post by kamal entomologist Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:40 pm

    Sir,
    Sorry for the delayed answer, as I told to you, I am now a days intensively bussy in Malaria Case Management work shop for doctors in out stations.

    Answer No. 1 - "Non Decision making" , the ability of some one to solve the problem before it occures. (As I conclude)

    Answer No. 2 - "The less powerfull people are always not the part of policy makers because those who have the power, they are the part of decision making
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    Post by The Saint Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:05 pm

    Good Kamal. Answer accepted
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    Post by mshaheen Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:25 pm

    M.Shaheen
    1:- The Power doesn't need to be exercise for it to be effective:-
    The more reputation of power can ristrict the scope of decision making.


    2:- Yea sir, there was " thought control dimension of power is also in action

    Mutahira Shaheen.



    Anila Farman

    1:- First Power mayh consist of the ability to prevent some items from becoming issues. second, that power deosnot needto be exercised for it ot be effective the mere reputation for power can restrict hte scope of decision making. thrid, those affected by political power, the victims', may remain invisible, becuase the power or reputatoin of hte powerful ma ydeter the less powerful from entering the policy making arena. he concluded htat non - issues are not politicallyh random oversights but instances of politically enforced neglect.


    2:- The Power doesn't need to be exercise for it to be effective:-
    The more reputation of power can ristrict the scope of decision making.

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    Post by Admin Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:37 pm

    Cant understand how can Aneela and Mutahira send their answers from one Joint Account belonging to Mutahira, while being an Admin, I know that Aneela has got her own seperate account. Fishy Fishy......
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    Post by Dr.Bangash Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:54 pm

    everything is possible for the students of abassyn university peshawar so no need to be worried and surprised.even if u tell them to bring sun rather than moon tehey will do it as they are capable of doing everything unusual.so for baji mutahira and miss aneela ye to unke bayen haathon ka khel hai ke aik account se do non jawab dain ya pher shaid wo donon apna qimti waqt bachana chahteen theen.(sorry ladies no offence it was just a joke)

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